Episode 7 – How Broke Are You?

Welcome to Marriage Mixed with Spencer and Shirley.

Marriage Mixed is a resource that opens the door on interracial marriage.

We share real experiences from our interracial marriage.

And let me tell you, it has not been easy, but it is rewarding.

We talk about our differences, what has worked for us, and what is still difficult.

We also share our views on important topics, like food, from a white guy's perspective, and from a Haitian girl's perspective.

What is our goal?

Our goal is to reach people, like you, who may be struggling in an interracial marriage, and, through the sharing of our own story, prove to you that you are not alone.

The battle for your marriage is real, and thankfully, you have reinforcements.

Our hope is that by using this resource, you will grow in love and grace for your spouse, and ultimately, find hope, help, and healing for your marriage.

Sometimes, it will be tense, and other times, you'll be laughing with us as we discover new things about each other.

Thank you for joining us, and enjoy this episode of Marriage Mixed.

Are we starting now?

Welcome to Marriage Mixed with Spencer and Shirley.

Hello.

How are you doing?

Well, perfect way to start out this episode, full of joy, energy, and excitement.

Or lies.

Which wouldn't be a great way to start.

No, seriously, is it cause you're feeling hungry, or something else?

I mean, I am hungry, but we also just try to start four times.

Well, we're starting now, so we're doing it.

Today, our question, we haven't figured out a name for it yet, is to ask your spouse something that they're good at.

What's the strength that you have?

What's the-

Or a talent.

Yeah, like what's your hidden talent, or what are you talented at?

And then, inversely, once they answer that, you can ask them what's something that you struggle with or that you don't enjoy, something you know you're not good at.

I like to keep it positive, so I'll just say, I'll just ask the first part, something you're talented at or good at.

So, the second question is the deeper level.

Yeah, maybe.

So, we're going to demonstrate.

And that's kind of the topic for today.

Although I'm sure there will be other divergent things that we cover as we talk.

So, I don't know if you want to start by asking me or me to ask you.

What's something you're talented at, honey?

What am I talented at?

I had the benefit of thinking about some of this before.

But I think I have both passion and creativity.

And somewhere inside here is the ability to use that passion and creativity to motivate other people to see things maybe they didn't see or to think in new ways, basically make different decisions in their lives.

What's like an example of you doing that?

I think I do that in sales.

Sales is just motivating people to make new decisions.

Some of the guys that I help, this ministry, things like that.

So that's one, it's not like super clear cut and easy to describe.

How about you, honey?

What's something that you are talented at?

I think I'm talented at cooking, maybe.

I've gotten better at it through the years.

Through the years, and I have a interest in baking, so I bake stuff, a lot of stuff, and I think I do pretty good nowadays.

You do bake, and you bake well.

I would say, yeah.

Is there more to add?

What's your favorite thing to bake?

I don't know if I have a favorite thing.

I make chocolate chip cookies a lot.

It's like an easy staple to have in the freezer.

I like the process of baking, even though I kind of don't like chocolate chip cookies as much anymore because I've been making them, I made them, I've been making them for over a year, back to back to back to back.

There's always chocolate chip cookies in the freezer.

I was about to say that, that there's always at least one or more chocolate chip cookies in the freezer.

Yeah.

But they taste good.

And you've gone from designer cookies to kind of back to basics recently.

Yeah, because I was using half brown butter and half-

Using all sorts of stuff.

Half not, yeah, and then a really fancy vanilla that you didn't really like the taste of too much.

And unbleached flour mixed with regular flour and-

I didn't do unbleached and regular together.

Oh, I didn't know that.

I thought you would mix them.

I just did one or the other.

But yeah, recently I went back to just softened butter and it tasted really good.

Yeah, but maybe it were like so conditioned to the designer, super fancy cookies that tasting something basic is like, oh, this is great.

But also I didn't put dark chocolate chips and semi.

I only put semi chocolate chunks.

So probably the extra sweetness from not having dark dark was good in there.

Usually I like the dark better though.

But you really liked the last batch.

I did, but I can't, I think it just like break up my MO to say that I don't like dark things.

Okay.

You know, Marriage Mixed, you're dark.

I'm like, it is actually funny though, because things that are dark, like, I like my coffee black, like nothing in it.

Whereas Shirley likes very light foods and drinks, typically.

You mean like I like coffee with a whole bunch of sugar and cream, but I think it's just because I don't really like coffee.

No, I just mean anything in general.

Like you tend to like whiter stuff.

I'm not sure if we talked about this on the podcast already, but yeah, I tend to like vanilla ice cream, which is white, even though vanilla isn't white.

You tend to like chocolate ice cream, which is chocolate.

That didn't really make sense.

It is.

But you agreed.

And then laughed because you caught it.

If you haven't noticed, we're excited, but we're also a little distracted because we've got new equipment, which we were blessed with by some listeners.

So we're excited to have better sounding equipment.

It's also an adjustment.

And now we have real microphones, and it feels kind of intimidating, even though we're just still sitting on the edge of our bed, at least for me.

Thank you to those people who got us this new equipment.

So I've read before, heard before, I think probably heard on different podcasts, that like different couples, or like different people in a relationship have different strains, or something about strains.

And basically you should let your spouse do what their, like what their, whatever their strength is, basically.

Which I think I might have mentioned on the podcast before, maybe in the last episode.

But like, I would say you're not necessarily very strong at like...

Start right off with the stuff I'm not strong at.

I would say you're not necessarily very strong at like dates or something.

So like, even though it might bother me that you don't remember a timing or date or something, that's just not your strength.

So it's okay if I like step in and, you know, like be the calendar lady or the reminder lady, you know, in a relationship, because that's not really, that's not exactly your gifting.

Whereas there's stuff that you're strong at, you're better at than me.

Let's talk about that.

That you can step in to, so what's an example of that?

No, no, you tell me.

You tell me, what's an example?

I mean, I think of bugs, I hate bugs, so I'm glad you're here to kill them.

I can kill bugs, yes.

I think like budgeting, planning, like long-term plans.

Yes, you're very good at it.

I tend to always have a foot in the future or in the past.

But you're a lot better with the present moment than I am.

So I really appreciate that about you.

Yes, you're definitely good at planning, like budget-wise and stuff.

Thanks.

We were talking earlier as we were driving home from an errand, and I realized, I don't know if I've ever put it into words or said it to you, but I think that one of your strengths is education, and I don't necessarily mean in the formal sense, although I guess it could certainly go that way, but I think you're passionate and skilled at educating.

I think you really enjoy teaching people things that you know well, that you care about, and watching other people learn and use that stuff.

I would agree that I do like teaching people stuff and be teaching people stuff, unlike my IG stories.

I'd be like, this is how you do this, or let me tell you about this.

I think that's been a big difference in how we've approached this too, which isn't a bad thing, but I think we both had kind of different visions in a way for how the ministry would work, where I saw it.

And I think it's actually both these things, and that's what's so beautiful about it.

But I saw it more as us opening a space to let other people into our marriage and then kind of be let into theirs and just have like a room, not necessarily a physical room, but of people who are all struggling through marriage and can realize, wow, I'm not alone.

Whereas when we came up with this idea, you were more like, oh, we can help people with the stuff that we've learned, and you're always advocating for that and sharing the things that we've learned.

Whereas I was more like, yeah, just a totally different perspective.

But I feel like it goes back to you wanting to educate.

Like, that's your passion.

So of course you would want to incorporate that into the ministry.

I think it's cool.

Starting to understand you better, I think, honey.

What is going through your mind right now?

Um, stuff.

Care to share?

Just different thoughts as you're speaking.

Yes, I can tell there's different thoughts going through.

I don't know what those thoughts are.

I don't have, like, I don't have something to share right now.

Okay, that's okay.

Is it, though?

Is it to you?

Well, I don't like it, but it is okay.

Ooh, interesting.

That's a good point.

What?

For people's marriages, sometimes something, sometimes something in your marriage might happen that you don't like or your spouse might do something that you don't like or make you uncomfortable, but it's still okay.

What's an example of that, that you've been through?

I don't know.

There's stuff that you do that makes me uncomfortable, but does it mean it's not okay?

Anything you can think of off the top of your head?

Nothing that I want to share.

I'm trying to think for you.

An example would be how you wash clothes.

You separate them all out by colors and wash them.

That's totally different than how I did laundry.

You make a lot of different variety of foods compared to a lot of different variety.

Same thing, but you make a lot of different foods.

Whereas I would kind of have my week set and just on repeat, and then I'd throw in eating out every once in a while, and that was how I shook up my diet.

But really, I ate the same thing every week.

You know, Monday I'd have this, Tuesday I'd have that, Wednesday I'd have this.

It was literally the same every single week.

And I was cool with that, it didn't bother me.

Until I married you, and then you introduced me to this huge variety of foods, and you're always trying something different, and it's been wonderful.

And now I don't think I can ever go back because I enjoy having all these different foods.

I cannot go back to eating oatmeal, ham, and pizza.

Don't forget eggs.

Yes, like six eggs at once.

Or how many?

Too many.

Yeah, I think once I made an omelet with seven eggs.

That is a good point, hun.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Or it could just be like one spouse wants to talk about something or whatever, I don't know.

Like, I don't know, sometimes it makes you uncomfortable if I don't share something or whatever, but it's okay.

Makes you uncomfortable or whatever, but it's fine.

It's vice versa, too.

Sometimes you might be uncomfortable sharing, but it's good, too.

There's like an ebb and a flow.

Do you disagree?

You're allowed to disagree?

I don't know.

I would probably initially, I don't know.

What's something that happened this week that you were really excited about?

I don't know.

Nothing?

Not really.

Maybe, I know that for me, there was something.

What?

All the encouragement that we got from a listener.

That was really cool.

Do you want to go into it?

We don't have to go into a ton of detail, but just hearing firsthand from somebody who can relate to the stuff that we're sharing.

Didn't even happen to be in an interracial marriage, but their own marriage, they could see parallels to the things that we've been experiencing, and the stuff that we are working through, and the arguments that we have, they could relate to.

It kind of made me realize that our ministry is broader than simply to interracial couples, even though that's our focus.

But marriage is marriage, and I don't know, maybe it's not right, but I feel like we probably have the same issues, they're just amplified because of our differences.

I would say they're maybe not amplified, but there's just maybe some additional things that are harder because we have differences in our race and upbringing.

Versus someone, people who might have been raised in a more similar upbringing or already have a layer of understanding the race that they're married to.

So yeah, I think a lot of things we say are applicable to any marriage.

Marriage is hard.

What's something else you think you bring to the marriage?

What's another strength you think that you have that maybe I don't have?

It's hard because with every asset comes a defect.

So instantly, I thought of my ability or my desire to resolve stuff.

That's good, and it can be used to help, but it can also flip on its head really quick and become bad when you need space or when I'm dysregulated and trying to use you to be my anchor when you can't be anybody's anchor right now, nor do you even have to be because I'm your husband.

So I'm trying to think of something that, I guess everything has a defect to it, sadly.

I guess you do, like there is times in the past where you come up with a, like you're a problem solver type of person, like you type of click, click, click on your laptop.

Or sometimes you are like trying to solve something or resolve something, resolve an issue like so lightning fast.

Like this came up, stop everything tonight and fix this thing.

So, I don't know, I guess that could be both ways.

It could be good because you get something done quick, but it also could be bad because you might ignore something that is more important or see it as too important and like put it first.

Well, not everything can be resolved instantly either.

There's things that take time to kind of unfold and explore.

You know, not everything can be just fixed super fast.

I think that kind of brings us into what the main thing that we were trying to talk to about tonight, which is like brokenness.

Hmm.

Yeah.

So we wanted to, well, Spencer wanted to talk about brokenness.

It's a hard topic to get into, but yeah, that's the one thing that really came up for the topic.

When I was thinking about it.

We're all just broken people.

But do we know that?

I think some people know that they are broken to some degree.

Some people might not realize how broken they are, and some people might not realize that they're broken.

I think personally, I think every single person is out there walking around trying to convince themselves that they're OK and that they're not broken.

And they come up with, myself included, explanations for every single thing we've done so that at the end of the day we can say, yeah, I'm a good person.

I think people, I think people, there's people who know that they're broken.

I've never met somebody who, by their own admission, has told me I'm not a good person.

I mean, any Christian will say I'm not a good person because the Bible says we're not good.

Yeah, but I'm talking about people who don't have that kind of understanding, like in my work life, you know, without even having to ask people, do you think you're a good person?

They'll tell me, like, they'll explain something that's kind of iffy or gray, and they'll be like, but, you know, I think I'm a good person because I do this and this, or I do it this way.

I'll have an explanation.

Anyways, I guess that's a rabbit trail.

I probably shouldn't go down too much, or end up elevating myself.

The reason I brought it up is I just think that we are all cognizant that we're broken, but some of us, I think, spend our lives trying to not see that and convince ourselves that it's not true, like we're running from it.

That's what I think.

Mm-hmm.

I don't necessarily agree with you, but that's okay.

I'll share your perspective.

I already did.

I think there's people who realize they're broken.

There's probably people who don't realize, they might realize they're broken, but they might not realize just how broken they are.

And there's probably people who don't realize that they are broken.

I think the thought has escaped me.

I think marriage reveals your brokenness is a microscope or a magnifying glass to your brokenness, you realize.

When you get in a relationship with someone, even a friendship with someone, you might start bumping heads a little bit, or I don't know.

Some stuff might like root its head a little bit, maybe.

But I think marriage and arguments and just being so close to someone, your brokenness is, you realize real quick that, maybe you won't realize very quick, but even arguments or triggers, you might not even realize, this triggers me, but it might be because this happened with my mom, or this happened with my dad, and this thing in my childhood messed me up in this way, you know?

So I don't know how well of a segue this is, but how did you come to find an aspect of your brokenness?

When did you realize in a certain area, like, oh, wow, I thought I was okay, but I'm not?

When did that realization dawn on you?

Why don't you answer that?

Sure.

For me, I'm trying to share this quickly, but pretty much everything goes back to how I grew up, and I grew up in the church basically thinking that I had the answer to everything, because I had Jesus, and not realizing that I didn't.

So a lot of things didn't work in my life as I got older, and I found out real quick that I did not have it all together.

There was a ton of different trials that came up, manifested themselves in a lot of different ways.

But basically, the root of it is that I didn't know what I was feeling, or the pain that I had, and how that was coming out.

And I was essentially isolating from everyone and everything, taking all my pain and putting it in who knows where, the hallway, I guess.

If a person is like a house, that's how I like to think of it sometimes.

You've got a bunch of different rooms, and everything should have its room.

But for me, I was living in the hallway, because all the rooms were closed.

So, like, the room that's full of sadness, doors closed, the room that's full of anger, doors closed, the room that's full of happiness, doors closed.

So I'm basically sleeping in the hallway.

Poetry aside, a story of how I discovered my brokenness was after going through years of counseling to address other deeper issues, I started feeling those feelings, and the doors got open, but all the junk started pouring out, and getting mixed up and stuff.

I was working in the fast food industry, and had a manager who lost her cool for some reason that did not involve me, and went off on me.

And I just sat there taking it while she went off, and I figured she would eventually beat her out, and then I'd be able to share with her, well, you know, you're completely wrong.

And she really was, there was no reason to be yelling at me.

And I sat there, and she kept going and going.

And I was not in touch with my anger until I realized I wanted to harm her.

And then I had to turn around, just being real.

You never told me that part of the story.

Yes, I almost hurt a middle-aged lady.

Maybe you shouldn't say that on the podcast.

Make our thing be R rated or something.

I flagged.

I didn't.

I turned around, I walked into the freezer, and I became a wild animal and shredded everything in the freezer uncontrollably.

Everything?

How many things?

Just random boxes.

I just punched holes in them, ripped them apart, screamed, yelled, threw things around.

There was fries everywhere on the floor?

Frozen fries?

I don't think I opened any bags, because inside the boxes, they were in bags.

But I just wrecked it.

And I was, I mean...

They were talking about you after that.

It was like, watch out with Spencer.

Don't say nothing mean to him.

They were.

They were like, should we fire him?

But the thing was, I was like the nicest guy, and super kind, and always did the right thing.

And nobody knew that that was in there, because it was all getting...

All the other feelings were getting squeezed out.

So, long story made long.

That is an example of how I realized my brokenness.

I did not know how many feelings I had.

And that they could overwhelm me so quickly.

It was pretty scary to realize just the avalanche of stuff that I felt that I had no clue I was even feeling.

I was 18 when that happened.

19.

I think just becoming older and getting married, and being home alone.

Finishing college, so being home alone more, maybe, during COVID, when you were working, and I was by myself after I finished college for a couple months.

Yeah, I just think, and marriage, which I already said, probably revealed, it just shows, you know, just things that I'm, areas that I'm broken, I guess.

Yeah, I was asking you for an example.

You're saying that I don't speak when I'm angry.

I'm the retreat person, or whatever it's called.

The fight, flight, freeze stuff?

Is that what you're thinking?

Like I'm the person who basically goes away or just becomes silent, which isn't the best.

I mean, I feel like I don't think it's the worst.

I feel like it's better to be silent and to shred someone with my words.

But you might have a different opinion.

Maybe you'd rather be shredded than not be spoken to.

Thanks for sharing that.

On the same vein, and I kind of shared it earlier, but I'm the lean-in guy.

I lean in constantly to conflict or difficulty, and that's not always good.

For me, a huge realization in marriage has just been how much I have to grow in being okay when you're not okay, and realizing, as pious as I can make it sound, that I want to resolve the argument or that I'm the initiator, really I'm terrified because you're unavailable.

And giving you space to be unavailable is a huge step for me.

That's definitely an area I'm broken.

Yeah, so there's good and bad in both aspects.

It's good to resolve issues and talk about stuff, but it's not always the time to talk about stuff.

Like in Ecclesiastes 3, it says there's a time for everything.

So it's okay to not be speaking sometimes, but it's not okay to not speak for a long time or give someone what they need, even if it's some type of check-in.

And I think I'm not really the most grown in that area.

It's very hard for me to overcome anger, and to do stuff that is good for our relationship.

So maybe one day I'll get there, and hopefully I do, but right now I'm not quite there.

I think you're probably growing in the area of just not pressing in to resolve stuff every time.

Thanks.

Maybe I can do stuff that I should do.

Maybe it's not about growth, maybe I just choose not to.

I don't know.

Maybe it is about growth.

You're having like an existential realization right now or something.

I was reminded of a verse while you were speaking.

It's Ephesians 4 verse 2.

So get out your Bibles, people.

I'm kidding.

What version for the nerds?

I'll read the NLT at least first.

Always be humble and gentle.

Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other's faults because of your love.

And NIV says, be completely humble and gentle.

Be patient, bearing with one another in love.

So be gentle with your spouse.

You're broken, and they're broken too.

Be patient with your spouse.

They are broken, and you are broken too.

Make allowance for their faults.

Make allowance for their brokenness.

They're broken, and so are you.

Yeah, that's so good.

That's really good.

I hear my old manager's words in my head so much right now, where he was telling me, because I was all pissed at stupid stuff that people were doing, he told me, Spencer, grace for them today, because you're going to need it tomorrow.

And that was something he always told himself when he was dealing with nonsense.

Grace for them today, because I'm going to need it tomorrow.

That's what that verse sounds like to me.

That reminds me of another verse that says, like, it's the beauty of something to overlook a matter or something like that.

Oh, a proverb?

It says, it is one's glory to overlook an offense.

The second part of Proverbs 1911.

Let me see.

I don't know what version that is, because that's off of Google.

Sensible, wait.

Sensible people control their temper.

They earn respect by overlooking wrongs.

Definitely not the version I'm used to.

That was ESP.

That was NLT.

Are you asking what that ESP says?

Good sense makes one slow to anger, and it is his glory to overlook an offense.

There's this theme in the Bible where we're storing up treasure in heaven when we suffer for Christ.

Sometimes I try and remember that.

Something I've been learning, which is in line with not leaning in when I shouldn't, so not trying to resolve stuff when I'm doing it out of fear, and just trying to control so that I can be okay, is just feeling pain.

That's what that verse makes me think of.

That's the glory to overlook.

It's just sitting with the pain, and realizing that there's honor in that, there's glory in it to suffer.

Well, it's weird, but literally just doing that and letting it hurt like crazy, and not trying to run away from it, it's super scary, but there's honor in it.

Thanks for thinking of those verses.

I guess you can thank the Holy Spirit.

Is there anything else we should cover?

We still have Shirley's Fun Fact before we go, I know that.

Are you ready for that yet?

Yeah, I thought of it.

Go for it.

So, my tidbit for tonight is that the freezer is your friend.

So, how I grew up in my Haitian household, they didn't, I mean, I doubt, I don't even know if my mom had a fridge and freezer, to be honest, growing up.

In Haiti, but you guys definitely had one.

Yeah, we had one, but they didn't really use canned foods, or I don't know how much she used the freezer.

I mean, I guess she would freeze like me and like peas or something.

Anyway, I think in America, freezer kind of is associated with foods that are not that great for you, like the TV dinners or something.

But growing, becoming an adult and cooking for my family and stuff like that has made me realize that the freezer is your friend.

Like, it really could be your friend.

There's a lot of things you can do and put them in the freezer.

Like, you can, like, what's something I do a lot is I prep bacon on parchment paper.

And so you just lay it out on parchment paper, put another parchment paper on top, fold it up, put it in a Ziploc bag, and you have bacon that you can just unfold when you're ready and stick it in the oven, and it only takes like a minute or two longer than if it was, like, fresh, because it's such a thin piece of meat.

Or, like, you can, like, if you make cookie dough balls, you can freeze them, and you can bake them from frozen, too.

If you buy burger patties while they're on sale, you can freeze them flat.

Like, you freeze them in one layer, and they defrost really quick, like, probably 30 minutes in, like, cold water, like, in the Ziploc bag that it's in, or 30 minutes to an hour.

Like, those are all ways that you can use a freezer.

And then also frozen vegetables, because I didn't start doing that until a little bit later.

Like, we weren't even eating, like, too many vegetables at some point, but, like, buying, like, vegetables that you can steam in the microwave is actually, like, so convenient to have, like, some broccoli or corn.

And they are frozen at the peak of freshness, so they're pretty good.

I would just say buy a good brand.

Like, don't get great value.

Get some bird's eye or something.

Something that I feel like you should add is all the stuff that you're freezing, you said, like, lay it flat.

Just the importance of having each item separated out and literally as flat as can be, because, like, with the cookies, you used to do it in a dough ball, but it would cook weird.

But then when you made it into almost like an egg shape, like, you flattened it a little bit, it started cooking better.

Yeah, I think that was just something.

With the cookies specifically, yeah, they can't be that much actually in a ball.

They have to be, like, in a...

I don't know how to describe it, but not...

Not an egg, but not as...

not an actual ball, because you probably have to cook it at a different temp to make it work, because I can never make it work in a ball.

Because I don't use a cookie scoop, so a cookie scoop probably makes it slightly flat on one side, and a dome on another.

But I would say, yeah, everything, do it flat.

Like, because if it's flat, then it's more space in the freezer, and it defrosts quicker.

Yeah, get you some little freezer...

You don't even need freezer bags.

Get gallon bags, and you're good.

Freezer is your friend.

Thanks, Shirley.

Shirley makes a lot of, like she said, bacon, when prepping it.

But you're not just talking about the, you know, just bacon.

I mean, you do just do the bacon by itself, but you'll put a little maple syrup on it, cayenne pepper, cracked pepper, and then you literally bake it, so you're not taking it out of the oven, or taking it out of the freezer, and then putting it on a pan, because that's how at least most white people make bacon.

You're literally baking it.

Yeah, so I learned from, maybe I learned from one of my jobs in college, slash TV, or the Providence Internet, or something, that if you bake bacon, like that's the best way to do it, bake your bacon, because...

It's good.

It's not going to get like overcooked or whatever.

It cooks like pretty easy in the oven.

Like, put it at like 400 degrees.

I put out the top row to start most of the time for like 13, 12 minutes or so.

You might probably have to add a minute or two.

Yes, look up how to bake bacon, and it will help you.

You'll eat more bacon like that.

And then, yeah, that's the end of my freezer is your friend portion.

Thanks, honey.

Well, thank you guys for joining us for this episode.

We were really excited to share it.

Lord's been good to us and has really encouraged us.

So I hope that during this time, he's reached out to you.

Please remember that if you do get anything from this podcast, I promise it's not really coming from the wiles of Spencer and Shirley.

It's coming from the Holy Spirit, if it's good.

I had one thing to add.

Go ahead.

So something I've been thinking about recently is if you know the saying, if hurt like hurt people hurt people.

I was thinking recently, like if if hurt people hurt people, do heal people heal people.

That's good.

Yeah, that was pretty good.

Amen.

I think they do, probably.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

You black.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't even know what to say right now.

I can't even speak.

Yeah, yeah.

Being a cost.

Yeah, yeah.

You sound like you black church or like just like this black person podcast.

Yeah, yeah.

Words.

Yeah, yeah.

Thank you guys for joining us and coming on the journey with us.

We're happy to be with you and grateful for the opportunity to be here.

If you know someone who might like this episode or might, I don't know, if someone needs something to do while they're washing dishes, send them this podcast.

Maybe they'll listen, maybe they won't.

We can end with a prayer.

Dear God, I just pray that you would heal people's brokenness and that your healing go through them.

And may they be the healed people that heal people and not just the hurt person that hurts people.

Amen.

Amen.

Thanks again.

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Have a good night, y'all.